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Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 4509 Location: The Rock Boudoir
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smoother-narration wrote:
This forum really is full of middle-aged metal heads who play too much D&G.
Ah the old "I'll stop now and not reply to anyone's discussions properly because I really have no idea what I'm on about, and instead make random sweeping generalisations with no basis whatsoever, so I look all *edgy*".
If I had a pound every time someone did that, I could pay for you to go to university. _________________
This forum really is full of middle-aged metal heads who play too much D&G.
Ah the old "I'll stop now and not reply to anyone's discussions properly because I really have no idea what I'm on about, and instead make random sweeping generalisations with no basis whatsoever, so I look all *edgy*".
If I had a pound every time someone did that, I could pay for you to go to university.
Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Posts: 1477 Location: near nottingham
david_frank wrote:
the people who worked hard at uni and got high paid jobs will be subsidising those who dossed around and ended up working at Starbucks won't they? Is that fair? Regardless of the merits (or lack of them) of increasing tuition fees
I don't think the hard working camp will be too bothered about the dossers. Sure they may note that they'll end up paying for their debt, but they will probably be more focused on their own achievements?
I hope that this is the beginning of a real improvement in HE. I'd like to think that this will reduce numbers and drive he pointless degrees (the media studies / martial arts theory etc.) back to the FE college and evening class hobby status that they deserve. I shudder at the thought of making them accelerated '2 year degrees'. They should be called diploma's or certificates - why maintain the overclassified status these 'degree's' currently have?
I would like to think that instead of being subsidised to faff about at uni, school leavers will be subsidised in a work place, ideally on an apprenticeship scheme. Ideally these apprenticeships would allow the participant to transfer companies, if desired, in order to get a wider experience of working. Such schemes aren't without difficulties, companies would need to be 'forced' to not take too much advantage of the cheap labour (they will always take some advantage!).
There would also need to be an aceptance that the minimum wage is unrealistic in such schemes.......this is a training scheme.....not a job....and being 'paid' £60-70 / week for say the first year is realsistically what you would need to accept.
These are the types of opportunity I would like my Daughter to have in 16 years time. If she's very bright/driven and picks a worthwhile challenge, then I'm sure we'll help her through uni, but if it's no different from today, then she can damn well work! _________________ slobbysoft (TM) - "Turning sexual assault into a legitimate business"
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the people who worked hard at uni and got high paid jobs will be subsidising those who dossed around and ended up working at Starbucks won't they? Is that fair? Regardless of the merits (or lack of them) of increasing tuition fees
There would also need to be an aceptance that the minimum wage is unrealistic in such schemes.......this is a training scheme.....not a job....and being 'paid' £60-70 / week for say the first year is realsistically what you would need to accept.
It'd be nice to see this money redirected from the useless EMA scheme. Bribing kids to stay at school is a cheap and typically Labour way of trying to achieve the stupid 50% HE statistic that should never have existed in the first place. I did my A levels at school and worked at Tesco for my £60 a week when I was 16, and I still got straight A's so no excuses!
Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Posts: 1477 Location: near nottingham
Luke_Vanguard wrote:
It'd be nice to see this money redirected from the useless EMA scheme. Bribing kids to stay at school is a cheap and typically Labour way of trying to achieve the stupid 50% HE statistic that should never have existed in the first place. I did my A levels at school and worked at Tesco for my £60 a week when I was 16, and I still got straight A's so no excuses!
Agreed about the EMA being useless. It gives kids an easy path to a lazy start in life.....early habits are difficult to shift, which is why a part time job is so good for teenagers. During 6th form, I worked P/T on a farm, which gave me some pennies and taught me how to escape from mad bulls and write off brand new ride on lawn mowers! Priceless skills!
For funding an apprentice type scheme, I think the employers would need to stump up the up front money. The government subsidy element would come through tax incentives - i.e. no N.I and some form of contribution to college courses/evening classes would be more likely. _________________ slobbysoft (TM) - "Turning sexual assault into a legitimate business"
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Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Posts: 1477 Location: near nottingham
suicide_silence wrote:
you should be in parliament slobby....
It would make for interesting question time.....
"Would the right 'onerable cunt off please explain why his twattish proposals are so shit and ignore the pressing matter of loading Gordon Brown and John Prescott into a giant cannon and firing them at the moon. Not only is this a suitable punishment for their crimes against the country, it is a vital climate change experiment, where we test the hypothesis of using their huge body masses to make it rain cheese carbonate!"
*ensue lots of cheering and wah wah noises* _________________ slobbysoft (TM) - "Turning sexual assault into a legitimate business"
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Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Posts: 754 Location: shitsville
degrees are still affordable for everyone, if you study part time with the Open University there are still grants to cover course fees if you are on a low income..... and if not it would only work out at £700 per year for 6 years, thats not a lot of debt even if you need to borrow.
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