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I NEED HELP : anyone with Exprience with 4 Band EQs
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SweepXCore
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:28 am
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Joined: Oct 29, 2006 Posts: 304 Location: Thetford
I have a Line 6 Pod XT Live
and i fucked up my setting cus i accently saved my clean setting over my distortion by having the save thing up and pressing one of the pedals
im looking for a EQ that will give me the sound of... abit of Bass for my Palm Muting and riffs... and some setting that will make chordy things push through something For The Fallen Dreams/Misery Signals kinda thing.
its a 4 band EQ with Gain and Frequency.
i cant find my old setting which has pissed me off -_-
you will be a legend if u can help me
other settings:
AMP: MS-Criminal (a modeled Peavey 5150II)
drive: half
Bass : Half
Mid: Half
Treb: just over half / 1 oclock
high: same as treb
Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 3950 Location: The Rock Boudoir
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The problem is that an EQ setting can sound totally different depending on the amp (unless you're modelling the amp in the XT, which I guess you are doing) and the cab setup you have.
That said, the classic metal EQ is "mid-scooped", giving a boosted low band for that beefy bass end for chugs, and the boosted high range for solos and some tech work. The mid tone is usually reduced significantly to cut out some of the "ballsy" growl tone (if you crank up the mid, it generally sounds like you're playing down a telephone ) and you're left with a scooped EQ.
However, too much scoop and you lose mid range definition (obviously) and your chord clarity will suffer, especially if you play chords with a melody pattern at the same time (I do this A LOT and have to up the mids a little to make sure the hammer-ons and pull-offs on the D and G strings still ring through).
Be careful when boosting mids, and depending on your setup, you may have to reduce the bass a little to compensate for the mid growl, especially if you're doing chugs with melody lines interspersed. Make sure bass frequency is reserved for bass instruments (chugs sound great, but not when the bass is trying to compete for the frequency range), and don't boost your EQ too much as this often adds noise.
If you have a toggle switch on the XT that lets you keep the patch you are currently in but change a pedal setting, like turning a chorus on and off for example, then you may be able to toggle a mid boost EQ setting for when you want the chords to be more prevalent. I haven't used an XT before, but my years-old GT-3 lets you do this kind of thing.
Hope that helped a bit - I suppose what I was trying to say is it's all down to taste anyhow, so it's probably back to experimentation for you _________________ Keep up with local events and plug your own gigs!
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Joined: Dec 20, 2005 Posts: 107 Location: Northern Exile
You could just go to www.line6.com and download the patches for those (or similar sounding) bands. That should give you a starting point.
Or if you want to learn how parametric / shelf EQs work, set up a basic tone and select the low EQs. Boost it by 6-10 dB to see what it does. Now try changing sweep (centre frequency). Then try cutting that band by the same amount. Repeat with the mid / high / presence bands, you'll soon get an idea of what frequencies do what and whether you should be cutting or boosting.
If your EQ is fully parametric, you should also have a Q control (width of frequency affected).
Joined: Apr 19, 2005 Posts: 5089 Location: At the bottom of the garden, amongst the birds and the bees
clydefrog wrote:
The problem is that an EQ setting can sound totally different depending on the amp (unless you're modelling the amp in the XT, which I guess you are doing) and the cab setup you have.
Beyond that, as you kinda pointed out later, guitar tone is completely subjective - the tone you like won't be the tone Clyde likes.
You're starting from the right place - put all the dials at 12 o'clock, and adjust from there until you get a sound you like. Small adjustments; half a notch at a time if you can.
Most metal isn't as scooped as people think - the bass guitar tends to be so lacking in definition that it gives the impression of more bass on the guitars - but the mids will still be lower than the bass and highs. Like the Frog says, your mids are where all your definition comes from.
Also, put the gain to where you like it, then try backing off it a touch - lots of people over-gain their guitar sound, and it makes you sound buzzy not heavy. Backing off the gain a bit makes your playing more dynamic, and it lets you hear the plectrum, which means you can hear how hard you're hitting the strings - and the twang from hitting the strings hard sounds far meaner than piling on more fizz.
If you cna record anything, post a clip up here first and then ask what people think you should do to make you tone better
Steve _________________ If you're insulted, you're reading it wrong. You fucking imbecile.
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Download a few patches and tweak them in a band situation. bedroom sounds will not sound good in a band situation.
You dont always have to push the mids to get clarity, you can use a presence control to just dial in a bit more bite.
Th pod xt live is a cracking bit of kit thats really versatile, but the higher gain sounds arent its best feature, it may also be worth trying an external drive box and stacking it onto one of the existing models to get a better br00talz tone.
Joined: Apr 19, 2005 Posts: 5089 Location: At the bottom of the garden, amongst the birds and the bees
timmysoft wrote:
Th pod xt live is a cracking bit of kit thats really versatile, but the higher gain sounds arent its best feature, it may also be worth trying an external drive box and stacking it onto one of the existing models to get a better br00talz tone.
Yeah - the Behringer Tube Screamer clone (bright green) is about £10 and will improve the sound no end for high-gain tones.
If you want patches, I think I've got a few somewhere - one from Andy Sneap (awesome metalcore producer) and one from Fredrik Thordendal out of Meshuggah.
I've only played with the XT a bit, but I seem to remember the presence control acting differently on every model - on some it did virtually nothing, on others is was crazy sensitive. They're normally just a high-mid boost anyway, so it's essentially the same thing. Most metal bands play with the presence cranked on whatever they're playing through anyway (I'm not suggesting that's a good thing btw).
Steve _________________ If you're insulted, you're reading it wrong. You fucking imbecile.
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Joined: Oct 29, 2006 Posts: 304 Location: Thetford
Pestilence wrote:
If you want patches, I think I've got a few somewhere - one from Andy Sneap (awesome metalcore producer) and one from Fredrik Thordendal out of Meshuggah.
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) and you're left with a scooped EQ.
